Jackie Ferguson is the Co-founder and Vice President of Content and Programming at The Diversity Movement, where they lead the efforts to provide comprehensive education and tools that help employees and leaders enhance their cultural understanding and promote diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. She is also a member of the 2023 Inc. Female Founders 200 list and host of the globally recognized podcast “Diversity: Beyond the Checkbox,” acknowledged for its exceptional performance as one of the top 5% most downloaded shows.
Founded in 2019 in Raleigh, North Carolina, the Diversity Movement traces its roots back to Jackie, whose extensive HR and DEI experience led her to initially establish it as a course, which eventually evolved into a thriving business focused on driving positive change in workplaces around the world. As one of the leaders, Jackie played an integral part in creating culture-centric solutions that promote better outcomes for individuals, empowering organizations to boost profitability and foster a positive work environment.
Additionally, Jackie is the mastermind behind the best-selling book “The Inclusive Language Handbook: A Roadmap for Enhanced Communication and Transformational Leadership.” This groundbreaking publication provides a thorough blueprint for fostering a positive shift in culture on a broader level.
Routine | Evening Routine
Jackie Ferguson finds solace and empowerment in the evenings as she devotes herself to the activities that ignite her soul and bring her immense joy. Take a look at some of her evening routines:
- Prepare dinner for family
- Go-To Pilates
- Dedicate quality time to spend with family
- Prioritize getting enough sleep
- Set aside 10 PM as winding down time and focus on skincare routine
Success
Jackie Ferguson’s outlook on success transcends mere achievements and wealth. For her, success is a transformative expedition that nurtures love, peace, joy, and freedom. Success, in Jackie’s eyes, means embracing oneself wholeheartedly and acknowledging the innate worth that resides within. Above all, she cherishes the priceless moments she shares with her family, understanding that these are the true treasures of life. Prioritizing what genuinely matters, Jackie has made extraordinary contributions to the Diversity Movement, gaining well-deserved recognition, such as her inclusion in the 2023 Inc. Female Founders 200 list.
Book Recommendations:
Concise Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene
Connect With Jackie Ferguson
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejackieferguson/
Website: thediversitymovement.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thediversitymovement/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-diversity-movement/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/diversity-beyond-the-checkbox-podcast/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/diversitymvmt
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thediversitymovement/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeyondTheCheckbox
Book: The Inclusive Language Handbook: A Guide to Better Communication and Transformational Leadership
Transcript
Hannah Mitrea 00:04
Hello, everyone, this is Hannah, your host and you are listening to the Success is Routine Podcast. Our show is on a mission to talk to leaders in life and business that have achieved success and to learn what their routine is. If you’re ready to create your routine to success, you’re in the right place. Now let’s get started. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Success Is Routine Podcast. I’m super excited to have Jackie Ferguson here with me. Jackie is a co-founder of the Diversity Movement, host of the diversity beyond the checkbox podcast and winner of the Inc 200 Female Founders Award. So welcome to the show. Jackie.
Jackie Ferguson 00:41
Hannah, thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.
Hannah Mitrea 00:44
I’m so excited to dive into like your routine and all the things that you’re doing, especially in having this company that is all about diversity. I think it’s so important the first time like I hosted a conference at the beginning of 2021. And I think it was the first time I’d ever, like experienced the diversity question even because I was reaching out to potential speakers. And one of them goes, well, what’s the diversity look like? Before I agreed to this? Yeah, I didn’t know that. Like, like, luckily, I was kind of going into this looking for diversity, because I didn’t want it to be all one voice. I wanted it to cross it. Luckily, I had the answer. Very interesting. So share more about what you do before we jump into your routine. Just understand that some more.
Jackie Ferguson 01:28
Yeah, so the Diversity Movement partners with organizations to provide culture centric solutions to ensure better people outcomes. So if you think about retention, productivity, morale, and then better business outcomes. So all of the things I just mentioned, create more profitability for our business. And we were recently acquired by an organization called workplace options, which is a global employee wellbeing organization, that services 81 million users around the globe. And they saw the value in integrating dei into their employee offerings. And so we’re very excited about that. And that’s brand new for us. So awesome.
Hannah Mitrea 02:11
My husband, I know is a part of the DEI in his company. So it kind of I feel like it’s such a new term to me, but it’s a interesting, and so that’s really awesome. And I think it’s really cool when like a company acquires company, because that only means that like you’re doing something so good that they want you. Right, so even though they acquired Who You Are you still kind of like a separate entity or you just like, under Yeah, please.
Jackie Ferguson 02:34
Absolutely. So right now we are the Diversity Movement, a workplace options company, right? So we rolled under their umbrella, but we’re still in the integration process and figuring things out. So you know, just getting acclimated to our counterparts at this larger organization. We’re a small team of under 20 folks, and we got started Hannah and 2019. A couple of us, we’re working for another organization, a marketing company, in Raleigh, North Carolina, and what our CEO discovered with all of these missteps, and just offensive things, right campaigns that were that were occurring, and that we could see, you know, in the media, said, You know, we’re doing courses for professional development or doing courses for marketing, we should do a course for diversity, equity and inclusion. And so I had a writing background, I said, I’ll take on this big project, right? Didn’t realizing how big it was, and how, you know, I knew a little bit, I’ve worked in HR, I’ve done some Dei, with that, you know, I am diverse, I come from a very diverse family, multiracial, multi generational, multi regional, even. So I’m like, I’ve got this, this is going to be great. And what I found out was how little I knew about the EI. So I had to learn while I was getting certified as a certified diversity executive and building this course. And the course turned into the business. So we built this course, started selling this course. And then our customers were saying, Okay, this is great, thank you. But what’s next? So we started with consulting services, and then created lots of free content and products and solutions for customers. And that’s what turned into the company. So it was meant to be a course and now I was, you know, an acquired company. So we’re excited about how quickly we were able to move during the time. Yeah, yeah,
Hannah Mitrea 04:34
it was really quick, like four years there. And then to do some work for the marketing company to or you kind of just completely left.
Jackie Ferguson 04:43
I know, a few of us that started the company through that organization broke away into its own company, but we’re still very affiliated with that marketing organization. Walk West and the CEO is still on the board of walk west. So yeah, so still very cool. there.
Hannah Mitrea 05:00
And then like you mentioned, like just learning so much about the Yeah, what was one of those like big like, Aha, that maybe most people don’t know about the DEI.
Jackie Ferguson 05:08
Yeah,here were so many one for me was inclusive language. So there are words that you say that make people feel safe and feel seen and valued. And then there are words that are in our vocabulary and phrases that we’ve said, since we were little, that make people feel excluded and make them not feel safe. And so for me one of those words, you know, as a Northeastern, or I’m from Dutchess County, New York. And so one of the words that we use all the time to address people is guys. And that’s not an inclusive term, right? It’s exclusionary, to women, to people that are non binary, when you’re just grouping everyone into one big lump of guys. Right. And that was, for me, such a hard word to work out of my vocabulary. You think it’s very easy to change that to say, everyone, good morning, everyone or Hello, everyone, right? But you want to move away from binary language altogether. So that people feel included, and I wrote a book called The inclusive language handbook after I started researching that and saying, Oh, I say quite a few of these things. And there’s so many terms that we’ve always used Hannah that are just not they’re not inclusive. And so even things like using a mental health language to describe everyday behaviors, like, oh, that person is so OCD because they’re neat and organized, right? You don’t want to say that or things like, you know, if I skip breakfast, I don’t know how many times I’ve said, I’m starving, right, but I’m not really starving. I just skipped breakfast. But for people who have been food insecure, that can be a trigger for them. So there, the book does tell us a lot of different things that we say and what we should say instead, and then gives good recommendations and backgrounds on the history of some of the language that we say that we don’t realize is rooted in different things like slavery and oppression and things like that. And so we want to knowing is half the battle and then practicing is the other half getting it right. We’re not going to do that all the time, every time and that’s okay. But inclusive language is one of the things that really resonated with me in learning Dei, and that’s why I wrote that book.
Hannah Mitrea 07:30
I definitely have to check out your book because I run a book club but it isn’t ladies only book club, but constantly I started a sentence where I’m like, Hey, guys, and I’m like, that’s literally right. I like delete and I like because I’m also from Pennsylvania, so Uh huh. That same like the Dutch and all that and so I
Jackie Ferguson 07:46
Now handle what part of Pennsylvania because in Pittsburgh Yen’s is very inclusive. Yes. So it is Yen’s Sapiens that’s
Hannah Mitrea 07:56
I live in Texas. Nobody knows what I’m saying. I say this all the time in person, though. I’ve got to but now that I live in Texas, I switched it to y’all. And that’s also inclusive. Yeah, sounds good. Hey, guys. Hey, y’all, what do you perfect. But I will stop myself when I hear those words. When I’m like, nobody I’m talking to is a guy. Why am I saying Hey, guys, right, right. And even like, I’ll stop myself when I’m like, Hey, girls, because I’m like, No, that’s like, making them feel smaller than maybe they could be. And so like, you know, I always tried to switch it because I, like I do self recognize sometimes those words, but it’s like, I never thought of them as like this whole thing is that it was just like my brain doing Oh, there’s probably
Jackie Ferguson 08:42
no those, those are great just signals that you’re having Hannah. And you know, and people don’t realize that those small things can, you know, small to, you know, the majority group, but there’s a minority group, depending on who you’re talking to, or what you’re saying that can really feel like be made smaller, to feel smaller, or be made to feel like wow, I’m included in this group. I’m included in this, this reference with this greeting. And so it can really make a difference. One way or the other.
Hannah Mitrea 09:13
Yeah, so I’ll definitely have to check it out. But I know we’re here to talk about your teens. take you down the rabbit hole. I need to like come to your podcast and just ask you questions is what I needed. But right before we jumped in there teen Do you think you had like 18 year whole life growing up? Was that something you had? You know, before you became the co founder and before you got into the workforce? Is it something you grew up with maybe around your family?
Jackie Ferguson 09:39
So I’ve had a few different routines over my life. When I was in I spent a good portion of my life Hana and executive support for very hard charging executives. And so before being at the diversity movement, I would get up super early. Check my phone first. Staying, and then that will determine what I had to do like how bananas my day was going to be right. Because my work dependent on another executive, what I found was when I had my daughter, my routine had to change, because what I would do is before that is get up super early, do all my stuff, and then my evening would be my own. And when I had my daughter, Diana, my evenings were not my own. And so there was a lot to do with dinner and homework and spending time and doing hair and giving baths and all of that stuff had to be done. And so what I developed and she’ll be 22 next week, so it was quite a long time ago.
Hannah Mitrea 10:49
But from your time back,
Jackie Ferguson 10:51
That’s right. Yes, yes, yeah, I have I have. But you know, the thing about that routine was you hear it so often, that these, like successful people with these routines, are in the morning, you know, I cannot be five o’clock and blah, blah, blah. My day now is I just don’t know, it’s bananas all day, the evening is what I have control of. So sometimes I’m up working at six o’clock, sometimes I can sleep until seven. And I tried to do it when I can, you know, sometimes I’m up writing at four o’clock in the morning, because I leave content at the organization that I work with. And then, so it’s my evenings that I’m in control of the day is just, you know, sometimes it’s a reasonable day, but most of the time, it is back to back move to thing to thing to thing. And so the evening is where I have control. And for me, what’s important is even now Diana is in her senior year of college, but with my husband and I and when my daughter is home, I try to cook dinner several nights a week, that’s my time to wind down from the day because I’m here to hear it here. And I don’t want to take that pace into my night. And so being able to cook dinner allows me to be a little bit creative wine down, play some music, drink a glass of wine, and then I sit with my family and have dinner and try not to have the TV on try not to have the phones, you know in front of us and just interact. And that is my routine. And for me, it’s important because that’s what’s important to me, my family. And so I think that your routine needs to involve the thing or things that you care most about. And for me, that’s that’s my family. And so that’s the thing that I do that helps with my you know, when you think about self care, and you know well being that’s the thing for me, that keeps me balanced, when I have those crazy days. So my routine is in the evening. And then I tried to make sure that I’m getting enough sleep because I am not a fun person. If missing sleep multiple days in a row.
Hannah Mitrea 13:09
I’m saying I can sleep for 10 hours straight and that like is good for me. I’m not one of those before I really need it all. But I have two questions that kind of come to mind one of them. You talked about how you used to work in like your your routine used to kind of be the morning more sure. And then he like had to switch it. So how hard was it to make that switch from morning to night?
Jackie Ferguson 13:30
It wasn’t too hard just because it started out of necessity. Okay. So for me it was I mean, it was an evolution because I was I spent so much time still jumping up so early. And I’m still up early, but I’m working. making that switch actually was good because it was what I cared most about. So it was like I need to slow down. Now there have been times Anna, that it’s been hard. I’ve got more work to do. I’ve got to get this thing done. And there was a period where I wasn’t prioritizing that. Diana was in college. So I was like I don’t have to make dinner for Diana, you know, my husband can kind of fend for himself. Right. And I would I was spending time as we were getting this business off the ground, working 70 hour plus weeks, which I don’t recommend. Those are you know, sometimes there are things we do by necessity when we’re doing big things or hard things but it really took a toll on our relationship. And we didn’t spend enough time together because I was always working and he was also working same business. So we work together my husband and I and so he was doing his thing, but it was really me that was spending my nights just like I’m just not done. I’ve got three more hours of things to do. And I did that for God. I, probably a year and it wasn’t good for me, I was exhausted, I was burnt out, wasn’t good for my relationship. So you have to find a routine for the thing that is most important to you, the things that bring you joy and happiness and peace. And for me, it was just that time with my family. And now we have this dedicated time that we do several times a week, not, not every single night, but three to four times a week for sure, at a minimum, and we just sit and we talk and we catch up. And we ask each other questions, and we make plans with each other and things that are really important to me. But if you don’t have a routine that works for you, based on what you value, you’ll find that things can get in the way. And then you’re not spending time in those things. You’re not as happy you’re not as at peace with yourself, you’re not taking care of yourself. And so that’s one of the reasons why a routine for what’s important to you is so important in general.
Hannah Mitrea 16:07
I love that you recognize that. And we’re able to again, we need to make that switch the other kind of question and how I have like another question, but I’m like doing really working really hard to ask on one at a time. Is, so how do you make that transition from I’m working to? Because like, it’s really hard, I think, to to just like get up and walk away. And not be thinking, Oh, that email this that this? Oh, my goodness, I need to call this person. So how do you make that? Like, do you have something you do in between the kind of like, reset that, you know, I’m going into my evening am It is now my time to be with the people that are most important to me? What does that look like?
Jackie Ferguson 16:47
Hannah, for me that gets done at the beginning of the day? What are the things that I have to accomplish? Right, so there’s those couple of emails, as you mentioned, right, that came in right towards the end of the day. But do those have to be answered tonight? Or can those wait till the morning? And so knowing what needs to get done versus what’s on that to do list, right, the checklist and, and so many of us love to get to the end of a checklist, right? I did all the things. But really, you have to worry about the most important things, the most important things at work. And then the most important things for you as an individual. And sometimes those emails can wait, sometimes you know that the end of that project can wait until tomorrow or the next day. And you have to just find a time where you’re going to say I’m cutting it off at this time today. And then do that. And then for me, it’s the process of making dinner. Because I’m still you know, the things are swirling around in my head. But you know, you can get into chopping those vegetables and stirring that sauce or whatever the thing is that you’re doing. And that kind of winds me down that process. So by the time I’m sitting with my family, I’m now in fully into being present with them and hearing them.
Hannah Mitrea 18:10
Oh, that and then so I know you said your husband works with you. Yes. Just curious, do you have some kind of routine that makes it so that you’re working well together? Because I know it’s a you know, it’s a big thing whenever spouses are working together. So there’s something y’all do or it’s not like, Jackie are supposed to be doing this? Or hey, why don’t you do this? To kind of do that.
Jackie Ferguson 18:30
Now, one of the things that has been important to us and one of the things we got wrong early on is we would let work bleed over into our personal. So I felt sometimes like I was always at work, because he’s the CEO. So I’m like, Am I in a meeting? Or am I having dinner with my husband? And so one of the things that we do, because, you know, it just does, like we’ll talk about work after the work hours. But one of the things that’s important is we trust each other to do our jobs. So he’s not a micromanager. We check in with each other on things. But we can also if it’s not work hours, it’s not our scheduled meetings. We have a scheduled meeting, we can say you know what I clocked out, I can’t, I don’t want to talk about this right now. And that has to be okay with the other one. Because sometimes we need that separation from You know, work. We can’t work all the time. And he throughout his career. He’s run multiple businesses over his career very successfully. So he’s this is his fourth exit. And so he has worked and worked and like he is always working. His brain is always moving thinking about business. And so I had to just be like, listen, I clocked out, I got it. I want to talk about a trip. I want to talk about the kids. I want to talk about a joke you heard but I do not want to talk about business tonight. And he got to the point where he was like you know what told me makes total sense to cut it off and change. And so having that delineation has been very helpful. And again, that’s something that a lot of couples, including us got wrong at first, because it was just bleeding over into everything. But having that clear separation has been valuable.
Hannah Mitrea 20:19
And so it mentioned like, you know, going into the routine at night, it’s kind of making that dinner. Is there any other pieces maybe at the end of the day that are like setting up the next day that you kind of have in that routine? Or is it really just spending that time with family.
Jackie Ferguson 20:31
Great questions, so I spend my time with my family. And then as I said, I make sure that I get enough sleep, that’s important. So at about 10 o’clock, I start winding it down, you know, my routine is, you know, double wash my face, you know, I’m turning 50, and a couple months on, like,
Hannah Mitrea 20:51
You don’t look like a senior in college, like, I got maybe like a toddler, like in elementary school.
Jackie Ferguson 21:00
Thank you, Hannah, I appreciate that. No, I’ll be 50 in two months. And so like, washing my face, and like my skincare routine, and just putting on some pajamas that I like, and going through, that whole process helps me wind down for the night. And then the piece in the morning is I try to get up a little earlier than when I need to jump in the shower, get started with my meetings, or commute to work. So then I’m like, Okay, what are the three or four things that have to get done today? And that’s my commitment. After that everything else can wait for it needs to
Hannah Mitrea 21:35
And so jumping from our routine to success, and so how do you define success?
Jackie Ferguson 21:42
Success to me is love having love in your life, peace, joy, freedom, and that has a monetary piece to it, right? Freedom is money buys you freedom and flexibility. And then self acceptance, which is not like Okay, I accept myself the way I am. But I love myself, I like the person that I am. You know, I don’t let people take advantage of me. And then health. So some people define success as attaining a certain thing in business. To me, it’s a state of personal wellbeing, because that is the consistent thing. You know, some people are happy at different points in their life with different levels of success. But those are the things that create that, that personal well being that I think, really define success. And the older I get Hana, that’s the thing that I’m discovering has more and more value, and doesn’t change. You know what I think success was at 25. I’ve already surpassed that. And I have new goals now. But ultimately, what’s important is that love and peace and joy and freedom that I think is important for every person.
Hannah Mitrea 23:05
Yeah. And your routine. Like, how does that have an impact on your success?
Jackie Ferguson 23:13
So my routine is based on those things, right? So if I think about love, and you know, my relationship with my husband and my daughter are the most important things in my life, and I couldn’t define myself as successful, you know, outwardly, the things that I’ve accomplished and the awards in the book, and, you know, a person would say, okay, she’s successful. But if I mess up my relationships, right, that’s not success to me. And so knowing that I’m spending real time with them, engaged with them is the most important thing. And that’s those relationships are my true success.
Hannah Mitrea 23:55
Yeah, I love I said, engaged right there just because I feel like so many people we spend time together, or we’re not spending time where we’re actually together. And so I was like, you’ve created that you have that. So I have two questions. One of them is somebody listening to this right now that just doesn’t have a routine is doesn’t have that, like, I’m not feeling that like the filament. What is that one thing they need to start doing tomorrow to kind of create that routine in their life?
Jackie Ferguson 24:23
I would say really spend time evaluating what you value, what you value most and determine if you’re spending enough time cultivating that thing. So whether that be you know, a health thing, or a family thing or a new business, right for entrepreneurs, what is it that you value most and then spend time cultivating that and making intentional time for that? Because then it’s easier, right? And I Exercise right out of necessity. I love doing Pilates. I hate doing any type of cardio. You know what I mean? But I do it because I have to. I don’t enjoy it. So the thing that I would say is, what are you excited about? What do you value and that’s the routine that’s actually easier to create than the ones that you do out of necessity.
Hannah Mitrea 25:26
And I really love that like first step, because I feel like you could have told them to get up early, you could have told them to do so many things. But it was really Hey, figure out what you value most. And find it like, because if you can find what you value most you’re going to be able to create some kind of routine around it. That’s, like focus on it because you want. So I love that. My second question is if no reading is very important, whether it’s self development, things like that, but also it could be listening to a podcast reading articles, what is that one book or thing you’d recommend somebody to read or listen to? Hmm,
Jackie Ferguson 26:00
I have read quite a few books in my life. And I was an English major. So I’ve read a lot of books,
Hannah Mitrea 26:07
and your writer so does.
Jackie Ferguson 26:11
The book that I would say has resonated the most with me, that’s also an easy read, which is helpful is a book by Robert Greene called the Concise Laws of HumanNature. And as a matter of fact, I have a handle on my desk. I reference this book all the time. It’s the concise laws of human nature. And so Robert Greene talks about just how people are, how they think, how they respond. And we all think that people think like us or should respond like us, or, you know, but they don’t. And so how do you understand that better? And then utilize that to get what you need from them and business, personally, with relationships. It’s an easy read, which is great, because some books are very helpful, but they’re hard to get through. This one is not and it really opens your eyes on how people respond. Because I don’t know about you Hannah, but I’m always like, why would they do that? Why would they say that? Why do they think like that? And it’s helpful. And just getting through that and then understanding, okay, what do I need to do to get what I need from this person, whether in business or in personal relationships?
Hannah Mitrea 27:28
I have to look at it just because I feel like if I was handed a book, I said Concise Law of Human Behavior, I’d be like, that is not easy. I would struggle to like, even just become like a law book. Exactly. I love that you’re sharing that. It’s an easy read. Because I think many of us especially like you say something, you’re like, Oh, crap, but I say it wrong. Like, and so understanding how are the people perceiving different things, too, I think would be really interesting and valuable for anybody that works with people because that’s what I mean,
Jackie Ferguson 28:01
absolutely. And ultimately, Hannah to be a leader, right? If you’re aspiring to be an entrepreneur, or to get ahead in business, your ability to interact well. And lead people is invaluable. Right? Everybody gets promoted to those positions, because they’re good at their job. But what differentiates the good from the great leaders is their ability to interact with people. So I love that you said that. That’s exactly right. No,
Hannah Mitrea 28:29
awesome. All right. So anybody that’s listening, that’s like, hey, I need help with my di or anything that you do. How do they connect with you?
Jackie Ferguson 28:37
Yes, yeah, you can find me at the diversity movement.com love to connect there. You can also follow my podcast www. beyondthecheckbox.com and then you can get my book www.inclusivelanguagehandbook.com.
Hannah Mitrea 28:53
And we’ll make sure that all these are in our show notes. So if you’re listening to this, you’re like, Okay, how do I spell because I’m a terrible speller. Writing it for you below. And one of my copywriters is writing it. Since I’m a terrible speller, it’ll be. And then I’d have to ask, you said your birthday is in two months. And you know, it’s a big milestone. Are you doing any celebrations?
Jackie Ferguson 29:14
Hannah,I’m celebrating all year next year. So yes, I’m taking a girls trip for my actual birthday with some amazing friends and my daughter. And then my daughter’s graduating next year, and I’m still celebrating my 50s. So we’re going to Italy for two weeks. I’ve never been and it’s been on my list for since I was her age. So there’s that and yeah, so I plan to celebrate all year long.
Hannah Mitrea 29:45
I was thinking your daughter’s graduating and it’s your birthday. I was like, it’s like a year of celebration, so many things to write. And 24 is my favorite number. So it’s an amazing year. 2020 fours. Love it. All right, well, thank you so much for Joining me liking and sharing so much information.
Jackie Ferguson 30:01
Hannah,, thank you so much for having me. It’s been so much fun.
Hannah Mitrea 30:05
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Jackie Ferguson 30:35
I think that your routine needs to involve the thing or things that you care most about. And for me, that’s my family and so that’s the thing that I do that helps with my you know anything about self care, and you know well being. That’s the thing for me that keeps me balanced when I have those crazy days. So my routine is in the evening and then I try to make sure that I’m getting enough sleep. Success to me is having love in your life. Peace, joy, freedom, and that has a monetary piece to it right? money buys you freedom and flexibility and then self acceptance and then help knowing that I’m spending real time with them engaged with them is the most important thing. Those relationships are my true success.
