Dr. Sean Hall is the Founder and CEO of MedLab Clinical. He is particularly interested in pain and mental health.
Under his direction, Medlab International, currently ranked 3,456 on Inc.5000, was consistently recognized on Inc.500’s Best Workplaces from 2019 to 2021.
His education helped him establish discipline in his formative years.
His brother’s health condition led him to his mission in healthcare and eventually helped Dr. Sean Hall create his own routine of balance in life.
In addition to fulfilling his commitment to providing high-quality medical and research equipment, Dr. Sean Hall is leading healthcare in developing new medicines, particularly for chronic diseases.
Routine | Balance in a Routine
Dr. Sean Hall’s routine has been reflective. He always makes sure that the day gets off to a good start. Here are some of his routines to make his day great:
- Time for a gym session
- Drinking coffee
- Taking a shower
- Clearing emails
- Taking time to calm and reset the mind
- Weekly or fortnightly bike rides
Success
Dr. Sean Hall asserts that to succeed, you must translate who you are and what you do. Being an effective communicator is being able to explain your vision, goals, and directives in a way that inspires people.
Connect With Dr. Sean Hall
Email: sean_hall@medlab.co
Website: http://medlab.co
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanhallbio/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/sean_medlab
Transcript
Hannah Mitrea 0:05
Hello, everyone, this is Hannah, your host and you are listening to the success is routine podcast. Our show is on a mission to talk to leaders in life and business that have achieved success and to learn what their routine is, if you are ready to create your routine to success, you’re in the right place. Now let’s get started. Welcome back. Everybody to success is routine Podcast. I’m so excited to have Dr. Sean hall here with us. Dr. Shawn Hall is the CEO of med lab clinicals, where they helped develop new medicine for chronic diseases and help manage pain with those new medicines and mental health. So welcome, Shawn to the podcast.
Dr. Sean Hall 0:45
Thank you so much for having me.
Hannah Mitrea 0:47
Yes. And I’m really excited. I know you’re on the Inc 500. And we talked previously, you’re like, I’m even mentioning it by day one, just like mentioned, that’s how we connected, because I found you on the Inc 500. And so I’m super excited to hear your story. And kind of you know, that routine that you have in place. So let’s really talk about like, we talked how you actually had a structured routine in school. So share with us when you grew up when you got into med school, and kind of what that routine looked like for you or did you have a routine? Give us your story?
Dr. Sean Hall 1:18
Yeah, yeah, no problem. So first and foremost. I’m Australian. Yeah. So proud. That work. Play. No, that’s fine. That’s fine.
Hannah Mitrea 1:27
I don’t like the accent.
Dr. Sean Hall 1:29
I’m talking from Sydney, Australia. And I went to a private school here when I was a young lad. And it was very much a cadet school. So Cadet as in military cadets. So the last six years, what was it? Once a week, you’d come in military dress, you gave up around about a half your holidays, all that sort of stuff. It was a connectcore school. And so routine was a big part of it, because it’s an established discipline. So the way you dress the way you did your laces, how you marched how your bag was packed. Time, you had to be at point a time you had to be at point B it was all rather heavily regulated. But I suppose if you had a bunch of pre pubescent teenagers running around, you’d want to discipline them and go that routine as well. But you know, as I went through school, I got heavily into sports. And like most kids, some sports I really didn’t like some sports I loved one that I did love was swimming. Right. And part of the reason for that was I was born with asthma. And a waltz. You know, there was a gentleman’s and, and all that sort of stuff to help open my lungs when I had an asthma attack. And what hasn’t changed? Believe it or not, Swimming was the best preventive medicine as well. Yeah. So from years nine, so hang on, let me sort of take that back to you guys. So matriculation is around 1718 years of age, nothing. So year nine is 14 to 15. So from year nine to matriculation, I probably swam for school, four or five days a week, and that was 5am in the morning. So I got into a very different routine where I needed to be in the water at 5am. We were swimming for an hour, I had a short period of time to to shower, get changed into school uniform, and it was proper school uniforms, Jackets, Blazers, ties, right and that sort of stuff, have something to eat, and get across to to first class. So routine to me was to form a discipline. That’s how this all started. And it was really good. And when I left school, and I was now at university, I think you guys still refer to that as school. And it doesn’t matter whether I was studying, you know, in the US of studying in Europe, that routine to give me that discipline worked. And right. And look, it had to change every now and again. Because the routine I needed for midterms and finals was really different to the Rotate I needed for you know, one month into, you know, campus kind of song thing. But the routine gave me a sense of where I had to be it was kind of like being on autopilot, right? I didn’t have to think too much about it. And then at some point I sort of left academia and you enter real world. And I know that phrases overused, but it really was a pivot point for me. Because real world puts you in an environment that is not controlled. And it’s a lack of structure yet so school, whether it’s what do you call it junior school, high school, or university is a controlled environment now, right? Real world controls are off, right and you are on you, right so that routine I had during my formative years, my academic years was not gotten to work. Right, in my real world is. And to be honest, I kind of was all over the place the first few years, you know, you’re getting a job for the first time you want to make a career, you want to socialize, you’re earning a little bit of money. I mean, things go psycho pretty quick.
Hannah Mitrea 5:26
Now, that’s what I’m thinking of even just, you know, when I got out of college, and got my degree, it was that jump from going, I have all these classes every Tuesday, Thursday, I’m in school, Monday, Wednesday, I’m taking care of my daughter, and all these things, too. You don’t have a structure. Good luck. I will say a lot of people get into that fear mode, and they’ve done back into school, and they get masters and double masters and triple masters, because of that structure. So it’s interesting. And I’m excited to hear kind of how you were able to bring structure back into your life, because you mentioned you’re kind of like, chaotic. So how did that go? How did you switch back in?
Dr. Sean Hall 6:04
So maybe I’m a little bit unusual. But a lot of the lessons I got from those Cadet Corps days, believe it or not, are still with me now. Because it’s later in life, you realize how important they were? And then, right, but cut a long story short. Routine, for me is not so much about discipline anymore. It’s more about balance. That was the inflection point, right? Everyone, everyone talks about work life balance, I’m going to talk about, hey, that’s an illusion, right? There are times when you need to be out of balance, pure and simple. And then more often than we think. So the routines I use now helped me assimilate that balance. Whereas when I was younger, it was helping me build a discipline. But now I’m out in a real world, I had very different stresses, my life is still really dynamic. Right? You know, this morning, you know, I was held up on a clinical call from overseas, I didn’t think I was going to make this on time, right? Yesterday, even me feeling very flowy I still had cold starting at 3am Sydney time. So I can either be a product of my own environment, or I can accept what it is learn to move with it. But build a routine that helps me get balance. And that means a lot more for me. So going back to what I learned at school, swimming, actually saved my butt more often than not from an asthma attack than I care to a mansion. Gym work has become part of that routine for me. Right? And it’s not so I can be Annie, right? I have no, no desire to be the Terminator. But it helps me clear my head now. Right? So if I can thump out to something they can I have some great music and I can sweat. Right? And I can feel that little bit so that I’ve accomplished something that can I can see small gains, my head turns off. Right. And as you get a bit more seasoned in your career, and you want to take some advancements in that, this head working on problems all the time becomes greater and greater and greater. Right. But again, you’ve got to stop. And you’ve got to ask yourself, and this is this is part of the discipline, right? Am I going to let this rule me or am I going to rule? And now we go into? What does that balance look like for you? So I’ll give you an example. I’m up early pretty much every morning. Now, I start my day is going to differ a little bit because of macros that are not in my control. But my routine will say things like, get up. Have a quick look at your emails to make sure that you’re not letting anyone down. That gives me a ha. So I never want to start that day going, oh my god, I let Hannah down. Jesus, I didn’t even turn up bright. Not a good way to start. I want positivity at the start of the day. So my routine has to reflect that. That’s my first endpoint. Right now, if I’m unclear on that, I got time to do a gym session. Right? And it just so happens that I have a row here. I have a bike, I have some weights, and I can get in I can do some pick. And then from that I can have a cup of coffee, I can have a shower and start clearing my emails. But I’ve gracefully moved into the day where I haven’t stressed myself out. I have calmed my mind. And I’m clear to move forward and take charge of the day but I’m taking charge of the day.
Hannah Mitrea 9:45
Yeah, I love that they are taking that charge. I do have one question. And one that keeps kind of running back around is you know you have this superstructure growing up through school through university. You have those year that weren’t structured well Yeah, like, how long did it take to get back into your routine? Like, and to create this balance, like seeing that balance? Because I think that’s where a lot of people struggle is they have this routine, now they have this freedom. How do they get back to it? And then was it easy for you to get back to?
Dr. Sean Hall 10:17
So truth be told us, it probably took me years to get back there. Truth be told, I probably didn’t know how far down that self destructive rabbit hole I was going. But what kicked me out of it was, I woke up one morning. And I kind of knew what I wanted to do. Right, I had a better sense of what was important for me. But the thing that really drove it home first and foremost, was a very long time ago, my brother had his role, my late brother now had his first bout of cancer. So whereas before I was completely off the rails, and I was just taking it as it comes. And you know, the day really owned me, and don’t get me wrong, I was excelling in what I was doing right now, but I was kind of smashing it going from one thing to the next. I didn’t wouldn’t have known who I was at the time. It’s not till I built a different type of discipline in my life that was about balance, did I really start to excel, not just as being, you know, a researcher, and building companies and working with teams through good and bad, right. But the real analysts at the end of the day, was taking on board the health condition of my brother at the same time, right. And that brought in, that’s where the whole routine had to change again, right? Whilst I had just found a purpose, and I was trying to find my way through as to what worked well, for me, it was Alex, that sort of snapped me into it. And in 24 hours, I had to have a very different game, right? Because in 24 hours, I was now flying all over the world looking for a treatment. So I think, if we’re going to look for takeaways from this, my experience in life is going to be different to most but that’s all right, we’re all really individual in that, when you’re younger, it’s hard to sort of check yourself. And I know that has, in many cases, a naughty stigma. But you know, you’ve got to do it regularly. Now, you know, the beauty about being married and with kids is they do it on a regular basis for me, whether I like it or not. If you got good friends, you know, maybe it’s something you can set up with him. But you need to recognize that whatever routine you do now is gonna work for you, hopefully now, but it probably won’t work for you tomorrow. Because things that are going to influence it, most of it’s going to be out of your control now. But as you as you evolve as a person, right? As you find out what you really are passionate about, and what you’re not, that also is going to drive you to do other things. So I would I start trying to look at routine as being that thing that allows you to balance that work life balance, right. So that, you know, if you need to go 100% committed to your career for a period of time, your routine allows you to do that without you feeling guilty for the sacrifices you’re going to make on the other end. But on the same token, you understand when your routine is going to change to bring that balance back. But right now, you know, we are in a really interesting time. People are running around saying COVID is over, but you still turn on the news and you still hear COVID Now, right? You know, we can’t buy a watermelon in this country for under $30 Because it’s COVID inflation prices. Right? It’s very hard for me to bring on a skilled labor because because of COVID there is no skilled labor, right? So we’re still in that, that that gewog admire, right. And that’s just you know, dirty muddy hole, where we’re not in control of our lives because of a macro. So what I employ now beyond the gym to help me get through the day to help drive that positivity because that will help me keep this this this balance I need becomes even more important. So sometimes you are going to need an external person that you trust to help bring you back
Hannah Mitrea 14:42
now. Now, I completely agree and I appreciate you sharing that whole story of one. It wasn’t a quick Joan and I I’m sorry about your brother and diseases. A definitely a hard thing. And he had to go through that. So I apologize. Oh, yeah. But I appreciate you sharing that whole thing for people to really hear it too, that it isn’t some overnight success. No, there’s going to be struggles. But putting back and focus on positivity and to routine is so important. I love that you start your morning with that positivity, just to make sure there’s nothing that is going to burden you to get your day started. Yeah, and the whole balance side of it. So I love all of that. So I know I had interrupted your routine originally. And we talked about in our pre called kind of like, super structure to more flexible. So share a little bit more about like, what your routine is, and kind of how you’ve been able to stick to it. And then weave in Bob, I guess, to shift that balance. Yeah,
Dr. Sean Hall 15:47
that’s fine. Yeah, it’s, it’s a good one. And right now I do it more by feel and by any type of science, right? So my mornings, as I said before, now, pretty solid, like even this morning, you know, I’ve been a fluid the last few days, I haven’t gone into the office. And I look, I don’t mind working from home, but I prefer to work face to face with my team. Working from home in my world creates more problems and alters add that work life balance because you’re just not leaving it. Right. There is a psychology about going to the office, man, right? There is a psychology about No, no, no, the T shirts for the weekend. The suit is for work, right? You know, you we talk routine, we talk balance, we talk positivity. At the end of the day, it’s all run by up here. So you’ve got to ask yourself, what are the things you are going to do on a daily basis that’s going to allow you to jumpstart here, Bowman, it’s the gym. There, don’t get me wrong. I’ve recently become a fan of yoga. And now I can’t bend and stretch like those Yogi’s on TV. And I do find it absolutely fascinating. But even my gym workout needed something challenging in there. Because whatever I was doing before was starting to get a little bit stale. My mind was starting to wander when I was on it. Go back and understand why I do the gym. It’s to throw my mind somewhere else and get off work. Get it off day to day. Right. Now there’s only one other thing I do that that will actually there’s two other things. I do that bring that back. Number one, I love motorcycles. So if I can jump on one of my bikes, I have two and I can put on Metallica and Linkin Park. Right? I get a little bit of screaming into my eardrums and disappear for a couple of hours. I’m in my own world. I never ever, ever ride my motorcycles when I’m thinking about work. Okay? Because I’m distracted, my balance is not there. So from a routine point of view, I bring I bring riding bikes into a weekly or fortnightly basis but I prepared before I get on the bike a I’ve got family, you know I don’t want to be a statistic now. But I use the bikes. Riding bikes, especially in country. So you know I love tall trees. I love the ocean to trip my mind up and take it out of the concrete jungle, the books, the computers, patient files, the whole kit and caboodle. It is a reset, right. And those close to me will know when I’ve been writing because I have a big smile on my face every day. Right. And the only other thing that does that for me is the ocean, the deep blue sea. You know, I you know started this by saying you know when I was younger, I did a lot of swimming because of asthma. I’ve always swum I’ve scuba dived I snorkeled swam with dolphins and whales, the whole kit and caboodle that being in the ocean is the other thing that clears my mind. And I keep going back to that mental preset, because it doesn’t matter what you do. First and first unwritten rule of medicine. When the mind the body follows. They have we’re talking balance and we’re talking positivity and you’re talking retain none of its capable unless you win the mind. So sometimes you need to be able to give it a reset that it can relate to. And that element of change can be really difficult at first for a lot of people stop what they used to.
Hannah Mitrea 19:34
Now, maybe even I’m sitting here thinking like, you know, what is that reset for me and how do you you find that realize? The first thing I think of this map My father is a math teacher, my sister’s a math teacher. When I do math, I can completely zone out and just be in that world. So you know you’ve always liked Swimming was an easy way to find that that was going to be a reset or especially with motorcycle how to do that. Discover that these were your moments of bullets
Dr. Sean Hall 20:03
swimming I was thrust into I had a great doctor who, you know had me on a plethora of drugs when I was a kid because of asthma. And he was an old school baby doctor told my parents give me the water salt water, preferably not right. And yeah, let him drink it let him do whatever right get him in the water. You know, even when he doesn’t want to be in a get him in the water. Right. And it works to treat healthy work to treat. As for as for bikes, I’ve always had a thing for speed. I years ago, I did stints in cars and stuff like that. And look, just to segue, the conversation. I always had professed, I’d never get on a bike because I didn’t want to kill myself. And the problem is, is I’ve got friends that ride and one thing leads to another Yes, maybe it’s a bit of peer group.
Hannah Mitrea 20:50
But I love it. Now. Oh, fun fact, I have a motorcycle license. And I’ve only rode a motorcycle twice in my life. But long enough to get the life
Dr. Sean Hall 21:02
each but each to their own. But I think your listeners what they should take away is number one routine is going to change on what macros are in their life, or what stage of development they are in their life, that’s a Give an Hour there look at routine, some could be to set up a discipline. I mean, typically, that’s why you do it, you know, think about young babies when they’re born. But yet, when they’re about three years of age, that routine has to grossly start to change, right? As you’re more comfortable with yourself. And as you have a little bit more life experience. Right like me, your routine is probably there to serve you in a different way. And I can’t do my job, I can’t be there for my friends or my family. If this is all messed up. And we deal with so many different influencing mechanisms on a daily basis to get our attention. This is always got to be sharp. Sorry, for those listening. I’m pointing to my head, obviously, right? But it’s got to be sharp, it’s got to be in check. It’s got to be clear.
Hannah Mitrea 22:09
I love that you relate it back to kids. I’m sorry. I just wanted to. Because even though I was like fear, growing up, like if, as children, we felt when we walked nine we constantly felt we’re okay with fear. We’re okay with making a mistake. As we grew up, we stopped being okay with that. So I love that you related it back to because I think that’s something we can all kind of go Oh, wow. Yes. As they grew up, our routines had to change. And so it’s very strong, I think mindset to realize as you continue to grow, things are gonna have to change and you’re balancing your routine, though.
Dr. Sean Hall 22:43
I think that’s 100%. Correct. Right? The moral of this story is, you know, you’re always learning whether you want to or not to irrelevant, but you’re always. Yeah,
Hannah Mitrea 22:53
definitely. And so let’s talk about your success now. So how, you know implementing in to that routine, you driven the success you’ve had in your life? Which pieces of it can you really relate back to?
Dr. Sean Hall 23:05
Probably my team’s, it’s never a one man job, right? It’s ever a one man show, you’ve lost, you might always have someone out in the foreground, who on the surface looks like they’re taking all the accolades, you always got to know that there’s a team of high performing people behind them. Right. So you build routines in business, the idea on those routines in business, for newcomers, it’s probably disciplined. But for executive people, it’s outcome based, the routines exist, so that we are cross sharing cross developing information that lead to an endpoint and all endpoints are, are what we’re chasing. Right? But when we when we talk about success, you’ve got to translate who you are, what you do, and your mental clarity. To if you’re leading teams, visions, goals, and directives, and you understand this time to teach and there’s a time to lead and they’re fundamentally different. But you need an agile audience. Right? The world is full of people who are doing jobs that don’t want to do by me, let’s be honest. Right? You need to find the people that energetically want to be there and will support your math that so one of the things I have been blessed with is to find good people to do jobs. In many cases, there’s a lot of endeavors that we take on are really risky, and they’re beyond the appetite for most. But again, it’s the team that’s going to get it through. So for me, if I want to translate this to moral leadership conversation, right? The golden rule is to be a great leader, you need to be an effective communicator, and you can’t be an effective communicator unless you’re an effective listener. That doesn’t happen unless you have the right audience. So we’re starting to get 360 degrees which is why I keep going back that mentally you need to call constantly be sharp. You need to be balanced, right? And it’s okay to show people that you’re human. We’re all going to have bad days your routine is going to be off your mental health is going to be off your leadership style, it’s got to be off, or you just didn’t deliver right now. But own it. Don’t be, don’t be a schmuck about it. Right? But own it and work with the team to fix it. And as you understand, talking about a team or wide upon Potamia, not everyone in the team is Superman. Right? That’s a utopian that actually doesn’t exist. I, I know, I’ve heard guys, God, my team’s awesome. Every one of them is a Superman, you sit there go. Okay, so you’re writing an easy part at the moment, the moment that you have a crisis, everything’s going to fall over and nine times out of 10. That’s exactly what happens. You need to understand strengths and weaknesses for each member in your table. Right? Not just you, everyone around that. So they we know how to complement one another in a crisis. Right? You might not have a crisis for years, but you will have one, right. So I go back to, you might remember me saying a little bit earlier, that, you know, when I had cadets, I took a lot of lessons away this one. So in cadets, especially in a last year where we were doing specialty services. And then later when I scuba diving, and I was doing very, very, very technical, specialized diving, we always worked on a theory called right man redundancy, which means the guy to your right can do exactly what you can do in exactly the same way. So this is discipline, this is routine, right? When we would practice it, practice it practice of practice and practice it. Because when you’re 150 meters underwater, and you’re carrying, you know, 140 kilo of gear, and you got to get to the surface, if something happens to you, the guy to the right is going to bring you up alive. Right. So that’s the ugly case of it. But in business, it means if something happens to me and I fall off the grid, because you know, I’m sick guy to the right can step in and still fulfill exactly that same function to those endpoints with the same tenacity with that team unified around him. And if suddenly happened to him, the next right hand guy would pick up the mantle, right. And fish by the,
Hannah Mitrea 27:32
again, I love leadership, that’s one of like, my biggest passions, I would say. And our team is, you know, CBM. Net, our marketing team is all about culture and quality. And culture comes first. Because we understand that if that culture is not there, we haven’t created a team that is going to be able to help each other out at all times, you’re never going to get the quality of work you need. And, you know, and that’s the only reason me and my co founder went into business really was because we loved marketing. But we hated the culture everywhere else. And we wanted to be able to create that leadership and that culture to have exactly what you’re talking about. And so, I love leadership. So I’m like, just soaking it all in.
Dr. Sean Hall 28:12
I won’t spend too long as I do, I do actually talk a lot about leadership. You know, from from a public address point of view, it’s either leadership specifically in healthcare, or it’s just healthcare. But you know, just connecting the dots here, we build routines, hopefully to better us. Now. I if I can top line it, right. If we got that down to an art, the next step is how do we better other people, that’s how your leadership factor comes in. That might force your routines to change a little bit, but none of this is capable. If your head’s not in the game. Right, Karen? So now, yep, yep, yep. So for me, there’s been a big impact on on culture, that culture is building great agile teams working on this right man redundant solution, which is something that is carried with me since well, first introduced to it when I was matriculating school really drove into me when I was into very technical diving. So a lot of lessons you can learn from life. But it’s not going to happen overnight. All this stuff takes a lot of practice. And I go back to something I said before comes back to understanding fundamentally who you are
Hannah Mitrea 29:30
now about me now have two questions for you kind of we’re almost out of time. One of them is if somebody is you know, maybe they had a big routine, and they’re in that phase right now, where all this freedom all this stuff was a one thing they could start doing tomorrow to start getting on this path to make their mind right so that they can lead into the success by creating the routine of balance for them. Like you had lots of structure. College is gone now. We’re kind of out of it. What’s that thing they need to do to get back to their routine?
Dr. Sean Hall 30:04
The best advice I can give you. So I was saying that is, stop, take a breath. And start asking yourself some fundamental questions. What are you doing? Why are you doing it? What’s important? Now that they’ll answer that as to what’s important now, which might not be what’s important to tomorrow. And then, but I think you think you’ve got to fundamentally understand who you are and what you’re doing. Right? If we continually get up every morning, and we race, we’re not thinking, the mechanism of stopping and asking self centered questions, is me trying to get the person back into that check yourself mode. Right. And if that’s not working, then throw themselves into something that they’ve never done before, just to try and reset the mind.
Hannah Mitrea 30:53
Man, I like that. I haven’t like that as an idea. Even if you do have a routine to be looking at every day, you know, asking those three questions and to remind yourself why you’re doing what you’re doing. Come back to it. It’s awesome. The second question is, do you have a book that you would recommend people read on self development? It could be a documentary or not documentary. But yeah, any kind of what book would you recommend? Somebody rolls? And I’m glad
Dr. Sean Hall 31:18
they’re almost a dying thing nowadays only after me. For young members of my team, I have several books. I do want them to read. Right? I very much like winning a by Jack Welch. Thank you, Welch. Former CEO of GE, right. I also like my iceberg is melting by Michael Porter. It was one of my Harvard professors back in the day. In I’m very much into the Black Swan.
Hannah Mitrea 31:57
Nicholas tides,
Dr. Sean Hall 31:59
yes, for now. And believe it or not be out of war.
Hannah Mitrea 32:07
Okay. That’s actually but my husband’s cheating right now. So I believe it.
Dr. Sean Hall 32:12
Hey, you know, from that, we start discussing topics on reframing what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, why small things can have a big influence, how we don’t necessarily notice the small things that do have a big influence, and how changes on the present. And if we’re not changing, we’re actually going backwards.
Hannah Mitrea 32:34
Now, as I put all those on, I’m going to put them all on my Amazon book, read that list and add them to it. But thank you so much for being here. Any final words on routine and success? And how, you know that balance goes together?
Dr. Sean Hall 32:47
I’d look, I think I just want to say thank you, I know we’ve we’ve covered a hell of a lot in in this. At the end of the day, it’s going to be driven by the person. Right? Don’t go into it thinking that this is a speedy outcome. It is an evolving process.
Hannah Mitrea 33:09
Yes, I agree. And that’s the thing I love about this podcast is everybody sharing different routines at work in their life. And people need to take the pieces that are going to be the most effective for them, and really apply those pieces to it. Because everyone’s so different. So, thank you so much, Dr. Chahal, for joining us on successes routine.
Dr. Sean Hall 33:31
Pleasure you have a great day.
Hannah Mitrea 33:32
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Dr. Sean Hall 34:02
Routine for me is not so much about discipline anymore. It’s more about balance. Everyone talks about work life balance, I’m going to tour outside That’s an illusion, right? There are times when you need to be out of balance pure and simple. And then more often than we think. So we’re routines a use now help me assimilate that balance. Whereas when I was younger, it was helping me build a discipline. But now I’m out in the real world, I had very different stresses. My life is still really dynamic. When we talk about success, you’ve got to translate who you are, what you do and your mental clarity. If you’re leading teams, visions, goals and directives, and you got to understand that there’s a ton to teach and there’s a time to lead and they’re fundamentally different. But you need an agile audience. The world is full of people who are doing jobs they don’t want to do it. By Let’s be honest, right? You need to find the people and energetically want to be there and will support you. You need to recognize that whatever routine you do now is gonna work for you, hopefully now, but it probably won’t work for you tomorrow. Because things that are going to influence that most of it’s going to be out of your control. But as you as you evolve as a person, right, as you find out what you really are passionate about, and what you’re not, that also is going to drive you to do other things. I start trying to look at routine as being that thing that allows you to balance that work life balance.
