Mindy Henderson is a motivational speaker, author, Director, and Editor-In-Chief of the National Muscular Dystrophy Association’s Quest Media.
Mindy was diagnosed with a condition called spinal muscular atrophy and spent her entire life in a wheelchair. At the age of four, she became the Texas State ambassador for Muscular Dystrophy Association.
She found the gift of public speaking and has been inspiring more people to live lives filled with possibilities rather than limitations.
Routine | Creating Consistency
Mindy put in a lot of effort into taking care of herself despite her physical limitations. Over time, she established her routine, which she had initially formed out of need.
- Doing things in a specific order
- Journaling
- Listening to leadership audiobooks
Check out this episode of how Mindy was able to succeed by creating a reliable routine.
Success
Mindy defines success as living the life you want to live and becoming the person you want to be. She views it as allowing oneself to be guided in different directions while pursuing your goal that may change along the way. While success may come in various forms and from really difficult circumstances, she reminds herself that there are also good things in life that bring satisfaction, joy, and value.
Connect With Mindy Henderson
Email: mindyannehenderson@gmail.com
Website: https://mindyhendersonco.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mindy.henderson.96
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hendersonmindy/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindyhendersonspeaks/
Transcript
Hannah Mitrea 0:05
Hello, everyone, this is Hannah, your host and you are listening to the success is routine podcast. Our show is on a mission to talk to leaders in life and business that have achieved success and to learn what their routine is, if you are ready to create your routine to success, you’re in the right place. Now let’s get started. Welcome back everybody to success is routine Podcast. I’m so excited to have Mindy Henderson on with me. She is a motivational speaker and author. Mindy is also the director and editor in chief of the Muscular Dystrophy Association with quest media platform. So welcome Andy to the show. Thank
Unknown Speaker 0:42
you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here and to chat with you.
Hannah Mitrea 0:46
Yeah. And I’m so excited to have you on. I know whenever I hosted my event I like posted in your group, saying that I needed speakers and like I’m sitting there like hope bands like please let it be Monday, please help me at all. And I did. I was like so excited. Like it
Unknown Speaker 1:02
was a great I mean, you are you knock the socks off of any other and then planners I have ever worked with. It was such a good event. Yeah. Great to hear. I love hearing feedback. And then I got to be in your mastermind with you. And that was a great two sessions.
Hannah Mitrea 1:18
It was six months. Yeah, you know that I, I kind of look at that as part of where my routine started in a way. And I definitely fell off that summer after the patch of mine was over. Because like being in the community, and every day working towards something is so helpful. Like we tripled our business in that two quarters. And I was because of humanity in my mind, and the routine that we set through the mastermind. And so I’m so excited to have you on to share what your routine is. And house like it’s crazy success in your life. So,
Unknown Speaker 1:52
for sure. I’m so excited to hear that though. That’s amazing.
Hannah Mitrea 1:57
But before we dive into your routine, let’s talk about your story a little bit. So I’m here with everybody listening, you know a little bit about you, who is Mindy Henderson?
Unknown Speaker 2:05
Who is she? So I guess I always kind of say, you know, at the at the center of my story is my disability. So, you know, it’s not exactly who I am, of course, but it’s informed that I think a lot of who I am and what I’m doing today. So I was diagnosed with a condition called spinal muscular atrophy when I was only about 13 months old. And I’ve lived like from a wheelchair. And you know, I had just some really interesting opportunities and things early on in life that I think really sort of shaped who I am today and the direction that my life took. So one of the things that I got to do, you mentioned the Muscular Dystrophy Association. And starting when I was like four years old, I got you represent them as the Texas State ambassador for the MBA. So I got to do things like be on television and go to events and give speeches actually gave my first speech when I was four.
Hannah Mitrea 3:10
I read that in your bio, and my mouth dropped. I was like that
Unknown Speaker 3:15
speech. I have to throw that out there. But it was a speech nonetheless, in
Hannah Mitrea 3:19
saying it was good for a four year old. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 3:22
I can’t go start I always started with an elephant joke when I was a kid giving a speech, you know, to warm it with.
Hannah Mitrea 3:31
Can we hear the elephant joke?
Unknown Speaker 3:33
I can tell you an elephant joke. They’re terrible. At beats, it’s telling you one. So how do you know if there’s an elephant sleeping in your bed? If there’s no space, he has an E on his pajamas. I mean, they’re they’re hideous. They’re beyond terrible. But, but anyway, I was I was a fan of the elephant joke when I was a kid. So So yeah, I got to do all of these things when I was a kid that really I think taught me at an early age to turn a negative into a positive, you know, and to see possibilities instead of limitations and all of those things where I caught the speaking bug early on clearly and you know, did a lot of speaking over the course of my life a lot for the Muscular Dystrophy Association and now I’ve branched out my speak on a lot of other topics like dei and and goal setting and turning your adversity into your your biggest advantage and those sorts of things. So yeah, it’s I’m rambling just a little bit but that’s kind of a little bit yeah, those those are sort of my roots and, and where it came from. I should probably also throw out there that you know, my family my parents were a big influence in my life in terms of you they it sounds funny to say out loud, but the thing that I think they really did right With me, was to have expectations of me, you know, and they didn’t treat me like I had a disability, they didn’t let me make excuses for not doing things I didn’t want to do because they were hard and those sorts of things. And so I really grew up, I think, grounded in hard work and positivity and gratitude, and all of those sorts of things. And that’s really kind of how I’ve tried to, to live my life and I went on to college and earned a master’s degree and worked a 20 year career in high tech before I pivoted about four years ago to doing all of the things that you mentioned that I’m doing now,
Hannah Mitrea 5:43
I love that I love hearing that, I believe whenever we met in Wimberley to, you’d mentioned about your father and how when he got the diagnosis, he was like that, like we’re gonna keep going like, yeah, and he did everything to measure that.
Unknown Speaker 5:55
My dad was a football player for the University of Wisconsin, he was scouted by the pros. And so he was he was a pretty serious athlete. And when I got my diagnosis, you know, this is all hearsay, it’s all stuff that I’ve learned from my parents, because I was so young. But, you know, they were told when I was diagnosed, that I probably wouldn’t live to be three. And my, my parents really decided that they were going to try anyway, they were going to, you know, keep us moving forward and do things with me, like physical therapy, and my dad knew a lot about, about physical therapy and exercise and anatomy and physiology and all of that. And he spent time working with me, and it was slow. And it was subtle. But over time, I did start to actually get a little bit stronger. And clearly I am way older than three years old now. So it didn’t know anything, right? Yeah,
Hannah Mitrea 6:52
definitely. And so listening to all this, you know, one of the questions I usually ask is, like, wonder that routine switch happened for you. And it sounds like it really was ingrained from your parents, like everyday, throughout your life. And so were you really around her routine a lot. And
Unknown Speaker 7:08
I think that was, you know, my mom was an interesting blend of my mom and my dad, and my mom was a force to be reckoned with, you know, the she, she was the the getter dunner end of our family. And if you needed something done, she she got it done. And so I think I kind of got that trait from her. And a lot of what I saw with her was, it is interesting, I’d never really thought about it before I got the information from you about what we’re going to be talking about here today. And I started to kind of ruminate on it. But yeah, she was she was very routine based and schedule oriented. And I’m a creature of habit. And I think that it does a lot for me, in terms of just sort of ensuring that I get the things done in my day, that that I need to do. And I make things a regular part of my routine so that I don’t forget them. And don’t overlook anything. So yeah, I think I think it did come from those early beginnings.
Hannah Mitrea 8:19
I love that I’m like sitting here thinking, none of my parents had to get it done. And I’m this big in the hell myself and growing up. So I’m glad you’ve taught yourself. Well. Thank you. But let’s talk about like your routine, and what is your routine? And you know, I think reading through stuff, it’s a routine really based on positivity. So what’s our routine that you have in your life?
Unknown Speaker 8:43
Well, you know, if I tried to think about how to answer this question, because my routine is a little bit like the detail of my routine is a little bit excruciating. And so, so let me explain that a little bit, because I live my life from a wheelchair. And it’s, it’s funny, I say this all the time to people, but it’s, I’m sort of a living, breathing contradiction, because I was born with these physical limitations that makes me dependent on people. And yet, I’ve got a fiercely independent spirit. And so I’ve worked really hard over the years over the course of my adult life, to create a very, you know, a life of independence for me, where I can have the same opportunities as anybody else and do the same things that anyone else maybe would and to in order to accomplish that. I employ a couple of personal care assistants who come in and out of my house a few times a day, they come in and out a couple of times a day and help me with personal care things. And they helped me with things around the house, to you know, cook looking and cleaning and organizational things and make sure that I am set up in my office for the day with everything that I need for all of the appointments and meetings and tasks that I have to do and, and those sorts of things. And so in order to live my life every day and get all of the things done that are on my list to do, this routine that I have with my care attendants, and we joke with each other all the time about how kind of anal retentive I am about the steps, and we do things in a very specific order. And it’s the same every single day, you know, I get up, and then I get in my chair, and then I brush my teeth, and then I do my hair, and I don’t do my hair before I brush my teeth. And I don’t get dressed before I do right here. You know, and, and I put my left shoe on before I put my record show up. I mean, it’s a little bit ridiculous, we could get into the minutia, but you know, it’s, it’s become a very necessary part of my life. So that when I’ve got the help that I need, I can be sure to get every single thing done that I need to do so that I’m set up for the rest of the day and all the other things that I have to do without forgetting things and overlooking things. Because when they leave, then I’m kind of out of luck if I need to do one of the things that they would normally help me with. So it’s kind of a routine that’s been born somewhat out of necessity. For me, but it’s worked really well for me.
Hannah Mitrea 11:38
Yeah. And is that consistency, though? So like always having a consistency. So whether it’s the left shoe and then the right shoe? Yeah, no, you’re not missing a piece. And I think that’s super important. Because, like, well, we have routine if we don’t like for me, like I’ve heard other people being super flexible, like I look at my routine like I am. So I do it urgh
Unknown Speaker 12:00
did you create that that’s amazing. That’s my checklist every day. Oh my gosh, blonde.
Hannah Mitrea 12:10
But like, it’s either wake up at six drink water, brush teeth, get dressed, let a candle get coffee. Like, and there’s several things and like I relate completely where I brush my teeth. Right after, like, I do them in order.
Unknown Speaker 12:26
Yeah, but that’s I mean, that’s how, in my mind, I mean, there are different way, everybody’s got their own way, right. But in my life and my world, that’s that’s just how things get done and how I’m absolutely certain every single day, that I’m not going to miss a step that I’m not going to miss something important that I needed to get done. And you know, I also do things in the morning, once I kind of get settled into my office, I do morning pages every day. So I I do some journaling and writing for you know, maybe 10 or 15 minutes. And I tried to I’m I love audiobooks. So while I’m, you know, opening up all of my work applications and things I’ll listen to, to usually a leadership book or some sort of a nonfiction book for like 15 minutes. And so, so those are all things that are part of my routine as well.
Hannah Mitrea 13:25
And in any event, and whenever you’re signing up for the show that you know, hope is not a strategy, as long as you’re talking to that somewhere because I heard that for the first time probably, I don’t know, like five years ago, like same room. It is stuck in my life. So
Unknown Speaker 13:40
yeah, it is it is a drumbeat in my life because you know, there are so many things that I think so many of us want to do or want to accomplish. And you know that want slash hoe isn’t gonna get it done. You can want things as much as you know as as much as you want to, but that’s not going to bring them to fruition you’ve got to have some actual strategy and and planning and routine and you’ve got to have some steps to get you there. So yeah, that was that was a heat I love that saying I say that to people every opportunity I get
Hannah Mitrea 14:21
anytime I say like well how’s this going and done well, I hope I’m my coach that strategy.
Unknown Speaker 14:25
Yep, no, no.
Hannah Mitrea 14:29
So okay, so so many people whenever they’re getting started routine, especially a morning routine, like and I’ll admit it this morning, I was freezing we talked about this morning, how we went from 80 to 30 my window was open I was not leaving my bed out. Okay, fine. I was not getting out like my routine was all screwed up. So I did not wake up 6am So what do you do to stay in this routine? Like how like how long did it take you to not like you know, go okay, I’m in a routine that amount of routine. Well, that’s a good stick to it because
Unknown Speaker 14:59
the routine of involves also, you know, as as strict as my routine kind of is in some areas, I always try to allow room to add things that I want to add, like, you know, it was probably six months ago that I added in listening to some kind of a nonfiction book for 15 minutes each morning while I was opening up my work stuff, and you know, there’s something that’s not really working for me anymore, then, you know, I try to give myself the flexibility to take that off the list. But it’s, it’s probably been, I mean, over the course of 20 years, that I’ve created the framework of a routine that I have today, where, you know, starting with getting up out of bed and then brushing my teeth, and you know, those sorts of things, that kind of minutia that I’ve just fallen into a routine over, over time. And, and yeah, it’s, it’s ebbed and flowed. But I’m also I will say, the kind of person who, if I get off my routine, and very uncomfortable, like, if someone suggests that I do my hair, before I brushed my teeth, that just doesn’t sit well with me. And it’s, I think it’s because my routine has become so important to me, it almost feels like a threat to my success, to change things around.
Hannah Mitrea 16:31
Now, it’s almost like a superstition. Now, if you do something opposite, it’s gonna, like, untangle the day. Yeah, like, if if
Unknown Speaker 16:39
it’s true, it’s true. So and I don’t mean to imply that, like, every second of every day is scheduled. But you know, there, there are just certain things over the course of the day that that I do, and if I don’t do them, or if I flip flop the order or something, it’s just, it’s very uncomfortable for me, because I worry that, you know, well, what else? Is that going to throw off? Or am I going to forget something? Or am I going to drop a ball? So yeah, my routine has become very important to me over time.
Hannah Mitrea 17:09
Now, and that’s a really good thing to, to, to know what works for you. And you mentioned something that there’s times where, you know, the audiobook came in within came out. So what are some triggers for you that helped you understand, like, you know, maybe it’s time to take this out of my life? And I need to, again,
Unknown Speaker 17:28
it’s a good question, I think, to take something out of my routine or my schedule, typically, it’s something that maybe has become, I mean, some things are non negotiable, and you just have to do them whether you want to or not. But I think that there are times when things just become more of a chore, or something that you’re checking off your list, just to check it off your list. And there’s not a whole lot more to it than that. And in those cases, I’ll start to reevaluate, do I really want to do this anymore? Is this is this important? Is it contributing something to my life, or to my success? And if it’s not, then I may try doing away with it for a while and see how it goes. Things that I add to my list, you know, I kind of like to consider every once in a while, what’s missing? You know, where do I feel like I’m less fulfilled? Do I feel like I need to learn something? Do I feel like, I want to become, you know, a little more well rounded in a certain area? Or, you know, is there just something from like, my health and wellness that is missing some relaxation event? Or do I need to deal with some anxiety? Do I want to add meditation to the list and you know, those kinds of things. So I try to just sort of look at myself every couple of months, and evaluate how I’m doing, and you know, where the gaps are, and then I try to fill those gaps.
Hannah Mitrea 19:09
Awesome. And I know earlier, you mentioned success, you mentioned specifically, like, if I break this routine, will I still be successful? Yeah, like things like that. So how do you define success?
Unknown Speaker 19:20
That’s such a hard one. And I don’t I don’t know that there’s one single answer. I think broadly defined. Success maybe is living the life and being the person that you aspire to. But that’s like way up in the in the ether, you know? And so I think from there, you kind of break it down and you know, financially Am I okay, do I know am I having to worry too much am I having to cut corners and you know, those sorts of things. So, you know, financial success is a very, that’s a fairly black and white measure. But then, you know, career success too, I feel fulfilled. In my career, I happen to have a job right now that, honestly, for the first time in my life, I love waking up in the morning and doing what I get to do, I absolutely love my job. And so I feel like right now in my life, I have huge professional success, just because I feel so fulfilled with what I’m doing. And that fulfillment kind of defines the success for me, you know, there’s relationship success, and or are my relationships healthy? And so, you know, I think there’s that overarching definition that I mentioned. But then, like, for me in goal setting, I actually break my goals down into buckets. And those, those couple of categories that I just mentioned, relationships, health and wellness finances, I’m drawing a blank now on what the other ones are. But those are I’ve got five or six buckets of things that I tried to do goal setting for every year. And then I kind of evaluate my success in each of those areas, if that makes sense. Yeah,
Hannah Mitrea 21:22
definitely. And so how would you relate your routine to those successes, especially like, if we look at your career, and you know, hearing about how you’re four years old, you’re speaking on stage for a very similar cause to now be working directly in there as the editor in chief for them. So how does your routine relate to that success?
Unknown Speaker 21:41
It’s a good question. Like I said, I think the you know, routine, and structure is something that has always kind of been a part of my life and has enabled me to be a productive person every day. And I think that being a productive person every day, it’s I’m drawing a blank on his name, the guy that says consistency compounds, done Maxwell,
Hannah Mitrea 22:07
I have gone mad at your paper, you wrote it down. So I am remembering for you from your paper, you,
Unknown Speaker 22:15
Max Maxwell consistency compounds. And so being a productive person every day, over the course of you know, 1520 30 years, I think, you know, that, that leads to success. And at the root of being a productive person every day. For me, it’s, you know, at least in part is having a routine and some structure that, you know, kind of keeps me on track day in and day out.
Hannah Mitrea 22:43
I love that I love the consistent compounds. And yeah, and I think it’s a really, it’s really evident, anything that you do, whether it’s you know, being healthy, work, money, creating that consistency in a positive way, because we can always be consistent, negatively. So right, let’s see, with positivity, whether that’s, you know, saving money or eating and more, and things like that definitely compounds into that success. Exactly. I have two questions. I like to ask everybody, and one is, so if somebody is listening to us right now, and they have zero consistency in their life, and you know, maybe they’re in the rat right now, what’s the one thing they need to do? To start getting that consistency in their routine to lead to positivity to creating stuff to be productive?
Unknown Speaker 23:33
Yeah, that’s, I think, honestly, and I’m not trying to dodge the question, but I think it’s going to vary from person to person. But I think what I would tell them is an actually this, hopefully, would work for anybody. But, you know, I think you need to ask, the first question maybe is, what’s the most important thing right now that I aspire to or that I would like to be or accomplish, and then introduce one thing into your schedule tomorrow, that’s going to get you one step closer to that thing, you know, so and that’s where it’s gonna vary from person to person. But I think just asking yourself, what one thing would be the most exciting to you, because also, it’s hard to establish a routine. And if you’re not excited about it, you’re not going to want to do it probably. So I do think that it’s important to think about something that really lights you up, and what the one thing is that you want the most. And then what’s what’s maybe one bit of low hanging fruit. That’s a step that you can do every day. That’s an action you can take every day to get you toward that thing. Yeah,
Hannah Mitrea 24:55
I think that was a really good actionable one thing for many people because like you said, they’re looking got what they need? And bring it back? Yes. So a great first step. My second question is, what book? Would you recommend somebody reading that? Like is the absolute you must read? Oh, heavens.
Unknown Speaker 25:13
There’s so many great books. You know what, it’s an oldie but a goodie. I was talking to someone just the other day. So I think it’s in the forefront of my mind. But Man’s Search for Meaning the book by Viktor Frankl, he was a concentration camp survivor. And he wrote this amazing book about how he survived the concentration camps. And it’s probably, I don’t know if 30 or so year old book, if I’m not mistaken, but it’s really stood the test of time, because the teachings in that book are so relatable, I think to just about anybody who would pick it up in terms of finding ways because, you know, no matter how you slice it, no matter who you are, life can be hard. And we all have problems and challenges and things that come up in our lives. And it’s rare, he talks in this book, I mean, I can’t think of a much greater challenge than living in a concentration camp under those conditions. And where someone’s goal is to so dehumanize you, and mistreat and abuse you, that you just become a shell of yourself, and live it not only living through it, but finding ways to sort of maintain your freedom in your own minds. While you’re going through. It’s an incredible
Hannah Mitrea 26:51
book that I have opened up on Amazon. So I will definitely put that on my list to look at say, Oh, good. And while we’re talking about books, we can’t leave about talking about your book, oh, I’ll share with everybody that’s listening about your book, because it’s also a must read the truth about things that suck.
Unknown Speaker 27:10
Thank you for that I am so proud of this book, it is I’ve wanted to be a writer and an author, a published author, probably since I was 10 years old. But honestly, this book was probably 12 years in the making. It was an evolution, I went through several different sort of iterations of this book, before this one, you know, this final book kind of came out of me and knew that from sort of an overarching perspective, I wanted to write a book, you know, we just talked about adversity. And I wanted to write a book that helped people get through their adversity, because, like I said, it’s it’s a universal tie that binds, right. And we all have challenges and struggles in our lives. And this book, you know, I wanted anyone who picked it up, to be able to find themselves somewhere in it. And we could, I think I could successfully argue that one of my biggest pieces of adversity in my life has been my disability. But that’s not the only adversity that I’ve faced in life. And as I started to think about it, you know, I’ve had issues with body image and you know, the struggle to become a mom, and so many different things, rejection and shame, and you know, all loneliness, all of the job loss. Now, they’re, they’re, you know, they’re all kind of coming to my mind. But you know, so many different things that have been hard in life. And so it occurred to me to actually write a book where each chapter is sort of one of those buckets of adversity that are kind of universal, and that, that everybody sort of faces at one time in their life or another. And so that’s, that’s sort of the structure of the book. And I took everybody through how those things that I just mentioned, and there’s like 17, and total. So each chapter is one of those adversity buckets. And I talked people through how it showed up in my life and really the lens that I learned to look at those things through and how to navigate the challenges and the struggles as they came along. And, and it’s really, you know, it’s really a book about our mindset, I think, as we go through life’s challenges and adversity, so I’m really proud of it. It’s it was a labor of love. You know, a lot of it was very personal and and really tough to write about. But I also kind of kept my sense of humor as I wrote it. And so I hope that anyone who reads it kind of feels like they’re in a room sitting with a girlfriend talking out life’s challenges and drinking some wine, and that they can, like I said, find themselves somewhere in that book.
Hannah Mitrea 30:07
Awesome. I actually had bought it right from on a vacation with the intention for a call, my life got so busy, but I do plan on reading it soon. And with everything you mentioned about anger that’s listening, and if there if you don’t have a routine yet, and maybe you’re saying, Oh, this sucks, My life sucks. Like, the first step you might need to take is pick up Manny’s book The truth about things that sucks, because she’s gonna teach you how to make them suck less. Hopefully, that’ll be that first step into that routine for you to get out of that rut.
Unknown Speaker 30:41
Thank you for that. And, you know, it’s it’s called The Truth about things that suck. And I wanted a title that kind of slapped people in the face and, and called a spade a spade, because, you know, there are things in life that sucks. But, you know, I kind of tried to share my truth about those things. And what I will tell you, it’s a bit of a spoiler alert. But I will tell you that one of the first truths, I think about our hard, hard times in life, is that even though things are can be really, really hard, sometimes we can have multiple realities in our lives that exist at the same time. And things can be really hard and really challenging. And yet, there can still be other things in our lives that bring us joy, and make us happy and make us feel loved and valued. And all of those things. And all of those things are true, the sucky things are true. And the really, really good things are also true. And so that’s one of the the things that I love to just share with people.
Hannah Mitrea 31:50
No, I love that. It’s, it’s so true. Like, when we talked about success and how we have success at work relationships, you know, maybe your relationships really good, but the works, not your friends or you’re not happy there. So there are different, like, just with success comes in different buckets. Not everything sucks and all life at one time. Yeah, might be letting something overarch the good.
Unknown Speaker 32:14
Exactly, exactly. And it’s, you know, it’s not easy when something is really, I have had it 2022 That has truly brought my family to its knees. I mean, it’s been, it’s been the hardest year I have ever experienced personally. And that’s it’s a tough place to sit in. But I think that if you could remember that there are and I think that’s the thing is remembering to recall that there are other things in your life besides this other like soul sucking thing, that sort of taking over right now. And honestly reconnecting with why those other good things really actually matter. Is I think that’s one of the really, I think, important strategies that can help you dig yourself out of the
Hannah Mitrea 33:06
yes, definitely. Well, thank you so much, Mindy, for sharing all that about the book. Thank you for sharing your time with us and your success that you’ve gotten from your teen and just in life. And thank you so much for being here and sharing everything with us. My pleasure.
Unknown Speaker 33:18
Thank you so much for having me.
Hannah Mitrea 33:20
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